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Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: deadly_risk on October 25, 2004, 05:26:55 PM
I has just occurred to me I have been here for awhile with out hearing what others think about my site. It kind of makes me queasy to look at it, cause I think I have the coding <cough cough> down but man the aesthetics suck and I just donít know what I am missing from a more professional looking site.

Constructive criticism welcome.

My own spur of the moment thoughts:
Why exactly do I have a glossary?
A links page? Why?
How It Works is awfully ambiguous.
Plain. To Plain.
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: Gamesnmore on October 25, 2004, 05:46:14 PM
Alrighty, being as positive as possible :)

The black text on the Red background is a bit hard on the eyes (mainly the Red, a bit bright I think)

What is with the indented paragraphs?  I would probably use bullet points rather than indenting for points (with <ul> and <li>)

The Glossary I think is a good idea, but you need to possibly set it out better.  use a table and in the left have the word and in the right have the descriptions.  At the very least with the way it is at the moment bolden the words

On the Contact Us page, that yellow looks very bad.  it doesn't really need another background colour, You could put a border around it but just leave the bg white.

Looking through the rest of your site I notice that all of your paragraphs are indented.  Indentation of paragraphs was ever only used when there wasn't an extra line break between the paragraphs.  When you have a space between paragraphs you don't need to indent it.

Other than that It is ok :)
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: confused on October 25, 2004, 05:47:21 PM
Why not put a portfolia up for everybody to look at? I know you want to meet but some people may skip out on the meeting and just move on if you show no work you have done?

Other than that i like it.

Why do you have a link page: every site needs a link page. It is a law lol.

Glossary: I dont know either.

Yeah you are lacking that "professional" feel. The same thing I dont know how to achieve so maybe someone else can come along and help? I always know that a nice photoshop pic seems to do a good job but thats just being cheap.
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: deadly_risk on October 25, 2004, 06:20:50 PM
Bolded text in glossary and added a bit of line height to hopefully ease in reading until I work out a more perment fix.

Yellow in contact us... gone.

Paragraphs are going to have to wait for awhile first.

Heder color, what do yall think would look good?

And could yall please look around the site with a small(er) browser window and report the scaleability of the site?

edit: Well the paragraphs are fixed, forgot I used only one element for all of them and just them so changing it in the CSS was easy.
Any better looking?
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: p0tter on October 25, 2004, 06:31:20 PM
The header is too large (height wise). It doesn't look well with the rest of the site.

Try a different color scheme ( http://www.colorschemer.com/online.html ) great little source to quickly pick up colors & tones that work well with each other.

Design websites really only need three things. Portfolio, Contact Info, About/Mission Statement. Other things aren't really needed all that much. Leave the pizaz to the site's layout & structure as well as your previous work (which should be available in the portfolio).

 :thumb:
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: deadly_risk on October 25, 2004, 06:33:48 PM
Quote from: p0tter
The header is too large (height wise). It doesn't look well with the rest of the site.

Try a different color scheme ( http://www.colorschemer.com/online.html ) great little source to quickly pick up colors & tones that work well with each other.

Design websites really only need three things. Portfolio, Contact Info, About/Mission Statement. Other things aren't really needed all that much. Leave the pizaz to the site's layout & structure as well as your previous work (which should be available in the portfolio).

 :thumb:


Agine with the portfolio. I dont have one. As far as I have gotten with a paying client is a few interviews and 2 proposles with a security firm and a layer in town. I did get one for a music store... until I told them at the time  I honestly had no expereance in setting up a e-commerce site.
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: p0tter on October 25, 2004, 06:56:43 PM
Quote from: deadly_risk
Quote from: p0tter
The header is too large (height wise). It doesn't look well with the rest of the site.

Try a different color scheme ( http://www.colorschemer.com/online.html ) great little source to quickly pick up colors & tones that work well with each other.

Design websites really only need three things. Portfolio, Contact Info, About/Mission Statement. Other things aren't really needed all that much. Leave the pizaz to the site's layout & structure as well as your previous work (which should be available in the portfolio).

 :thumb:


Agine with the portfolio. I dont have one. As far as I have gotten with a paying client is a few interviews and 2 proposles with a security firm and a layer in town. I did get one for a music store... until I told them at the time  I honestly had no expereance in setting up a e-commerce site.


Simple way to fix that. Spend time creating layouts & designs and put them in your portfolio. Also, if your short on stuff. Put in any & everything you have ever done, from scripts to coding. You have a portfolio, you just don't have one that is live  :thumb:
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: confused on October 25, 2004, 07:05:16 PM
Yeah just create some stuff. I had some spare time once and I just started creating a photography site. Also mix up what you are best at and stuff but remember to focus on what you are good at.

Just make a few templates. put in some content and good....

Ideas for Templates:
Daycare Site
Photography Site
Gamers Site

Mix it up. Show em you can do it all, even if you cant lol. Unless it is REALLY beyond you go for it.
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: deadly_risk on October 25, 2004, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: confused
Yeah just create some stuff. I had some spare time once and I just started creating a photography site. Also mix up what you are best at and stuff but remember to focus on what you are good at.

Just make a few templates. put in some content and good....

Ideas for Templates:
Daycare Site
Photography Site
Gamers Site

Mix it up. Show em you can do it all, even if you cant lol. Unless it is REALLY beyond you go for it.


Now where is summer when I need it?
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: confused on October 25, 2004, 07:15:19 PM
Gone in the past, I tried to use my summer for that stuff and still didnt have the time..........

hey no girl to get in your way!  :D You got time!
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: deadly_risk on October 25, 2004, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: confused
Gone in the past, I tried to use my summer for that stuff and still didnt have the time..........

hey no girl to get in your way!  :D You got time!


Oh yeah, good point. No wait  :sleep:
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: Gamesnmore on October 25, 2004, 07:57:44 PM
You want summer?

Then come down under we are just about ot go into summer :)
how I love summer, warm weather, less work, and good looking chicks walking around in practicly nothing :D

Anyway back on subject

Hey those changes have made the site look heaps better.
A couple of other things you could consider.  Possibly border your main text.

By this I mean for the menu add some colour to it, follow that colour with a thin line of the same colour connecting from the menu to the edge of the screen over the main text.  also do this for the bottom as well.

as for colour try a blue (I seem to like blue don't know why) by blue I mean a blue similar to the blues of this board.

Also  with What We Are:  get rid of the : and make it the same size heading as the other headings you have on the other pages and center it.

for your main heading for the sub heading experiment a little.  Try making the text a little small, get rid of the quotes and italics it.

I see you have got rid of the glossary, that's cool.

Finally for now, the links page needs something done to it, though I am just not quite sure what yet.

Other than that, it is looking heaps better  :yey:
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: GarveysIT on October 26, 2004, 12:12:51 AM
as for the portfolio, like p0tter said, make a few websites, or even make a few images that look like websites, that way you dont have to code them, i personally dont think the sites to nice, if i was going to buy a website i'd have to see a really nice site that jumps out at me, otherwise i would expect to have a site made that isn't going to be that good.

sorry for all the criticism
 :?
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: deadly_risk on October 26, 2004, 11:13:45 AM
Quote from: Garvey
as for the portfolio, like p0tter said, make a few websites, or even make a few images that look like websites, that way you dont have to code them, i personally dont think the sites to nice, if i was going to buy a website i'd have to see a really nice site that jumps out at me, otherwise i would expect to have a site made that isn't going to be that good.

sorry for all the criticism
 :?


For a wide market thatís understandable, but for computer illiterate small business owners of south Texas just being on the internet is nothing short of a miracle.
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: TranzNDance on October 26, 2004, 11:15:06 AM
:D
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: GMTurner on October 26, 2004, 11:52:29 AM
I was going to say something about Corpus, but decided not to...  :)

In general I think it is a reasonable fit to the target audience... a really fancy and flashy site might actually "scare" some of them away who still aren't sure about making the move to a website...
Title: Critique welcome
Post by: deadly_risk on October 26, 2004, 01:37:50 PM
Quote from: GMTurner
I was going to say something about Corpus, but decided not to...  :)


lol
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: deadly_risk on January 08, 2005, 01:59:06 PM
I wasent.

I would like this new(er) version of my site to go live soon, I have fixed a lot of spelling errors, created a PHP & MySQL based glossary so I can add stuff faster, and a portfolio page.

Constructive Criticism welcome.

(and yes I know major problem in ie5 im working on it)

Scary (http://www.area51.mannindustries.net/xhtml/index.html)
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: leighsww on January 08, 2005, 03:48:57 PM
Okay, deadly_risk, here's some of my feedback:

You might want to change the red to something that will match and coordinate better with the purple color of your logo. Is there a particular reason you picked the red?

If you don't mind, let me download your page I can do some playing around to see what may work better with the overall color scheme of things.

I take it that the logo color (purple) will be the predominant color?

Also, I would make the links on this following page the same font size as the regular text. It's a little large in my opinion and doesn't give a professional look:

http://www.area51.mannindustries.net/xhtml/pages/howitworks.html
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: TranzNDance on January 08, 2005, 03:55:10 PM
I agree with leighsww's input. The red is a little bit bright and since the color red is a warning sign to stay away... you might want to minimize its use. ;)

Red should be used to accentuate, not dominate.
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: deadly_risk on January 08, 2005, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: leighsww
Okay, deadly_risk, here's some of my feedback:

You might want to change the red to something that will match and coordinate better with the purple color of your logo. Is there a particular reason you picked the red?

Nope, sad as it sounds stuck it up there cause I didn't have anything better pickd out.

Quote from: leighsww
If you don't mind, let me download your page I can do some playing around to see what may work better with the overall color scheme of things.
I take it that the logo color (purple) will be the predominant color?


Nope, play all you want. I wouldnt mind hearing about any sucsess you have though.

That purple should be the dominate color, yes.

Quote from: leighsww
Also, I would make the links on this following page the same font size as the regular text. It's a little large in my opinion and doesn't give a professional look:


Your right, it does :yey:  .
Thanks, and keep it coming.
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: fretnmore on January 08, 2005, 04:01:46 PM
I hesitate to mention this cause it's probably a problem on my end rather than yours, but I can't see your logo. I get a little picture telling me to quit stealing your bandwidth.  Looks the same to me in FF and IE. Now, I'm running XP Pro with Norton firewall and pop up blocking, etc.  I can't see dai's images he posts in LF either when everyone else can - which is why I think the problem is a setting I have here - just wanted to let you know.

/me ducking and hiding now  :cry:
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: confused on January 08, 2005, 04:14:24 PM
I see the quit stealing the bandwidth too.......and I have seen his logo before and that wasnt it so its me and you so far that cant see the logo.
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: TranzNDance on January 08, 2005, 04:32:38 PM
It's a common issue with Norton firewall. Something about it blocking referers. There are lots of search results if you do a search.
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: confused on January 08, 2005, 04:46:10 PM
Hmmm...its probably one of my other million stupid programs that block stuff but I dont run Norton Firewall.....

To Mr. Risk: 1. The front page....bottom line messaging is spelled wrong.
                  2. I always like some sort of border or color on the navigation and not just plain white.
                  3. rollover links maybe? I dont know I just have a thing for those...always fun and cool to play around with.  :)
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: fretnmore on January 08, 2005, 05:12:14 PM
Thu, I've tried every combination of turning things off in Norton Internet Security, and still can't see the images. I even turned NIS off totally and still couldn't see them. Still get the same "Quit stealing bandwidth pic"

Norton may block more than it should, but I don't think that is what is causing the problem here?  :?
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: leighsww on January 08, 2005, 05:14:53 PM
Hmmm, the fact that it says, "Quit stealing bandwidth" can't be due to the firewall thing, cuz why would it say those words?

It has to be something coming specifically from the servers you are trying to view. Maybe they accidently blocked your IP for some reason?  :?
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: fretnmore on January 08, 2005, 05:22:33 PM
Not sure what it is......I just tested with dai's image thing and I can see them if I turn NIS off, but can't see it if any part of NIS is turned on. It doesn't seem to make a difference with deadly_risk's site though.

And, yes, the fact that I was obviously seeing something he had set up to prevent hotlinking is making me suspicious that it's not a setting on my end causing this particular problem.
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: Danielle on January 08, 2005, 05:24:02 PM
How are you viewing his site? Did you click on the link here or copy and paste it into your browser's address bar? (Would think you clicked on it here to go to it, but never assume I say)
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: fretnmore on January 08, 2005, 05:29:01 PM
Yep, clicked on his "scary" link.
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: leighsww on January 08, 2005, 05:29:30 PM
Quote from: fretnmore
And, yes, the fact that I was obviously seeing something he had set up to prevent hotlinking is making me suspicious that it's not a setting on my end causing this particular problem.

Try emptying your browser's cache, Pat
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: Danielle on January 08, 2005, 05:30:33 PM
If leigh's suggestion doesn't work, would you be able to try copying the link and pasting it into the browser's address bar to see the results then?
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: deadly_risk on January 08, 2005, 05:43:08 PM
Alright, I turnd off hotlink protection for now, when I move it to where my actual site is I have the .htacsess rewrite off so that shouldent happen anymore. The logo for that is in a sub-directory with no .htacsess which would be my guess as to why its happening.
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: deadly_risk on January 08, 2005, 05:47:08 PM
Quote from: confused

To Mr. Risk: 1. The front page....bottom line messaging is spelled wrong.
                  2. I always like some sort of border or color on the navigation and not just plain white.
                  3. rollover links maybe? I dont know I just have a thing for those...always fun and cool to play around with.  :)


Spelling grr, and I forgot the "." at the end. Border and rollover...gunna have to play with that later on see what I come up with.

Thanks,
Keep em' coming.
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: fretnmore on January 08, 2005, 05:57:32 PM
Found it  :yey:  :yey:

Turned off block pop ups in Fire Fox and I can see the logo. It even fixed it for "view this page in IE".  

Sorry I mentioned it, but glad I figured out what to turn off.

Now if I could just fix it so I could see dai's image. This fix didn't fix that!  :cry:

Edit:  just read deadly_risk's notes. Now I'm not so sure my fix fixed it or his.....oh well!
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: deadly_risk on January 08, 2005, 05:59:14 PM
Quote from: fretnmore
Found it  :yey:  :yey:

Turned off block pop ups in Fire Fox and I can see the logo. It even fixed it for "view this page in IE".  

Sorry I mentioned it, but glad I figured out what to turn off.

Now if I could just fix it so I could see dai's image. This fix didn't fix that!  :cry:


Groovy, now if only dai would jump on the bandwagon.

ok edit: posted this little fast. I took it off as soon as I read yall were having problems, so about 7:46, 7:45 CST or so.
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: leighsww on January 08, 2005, 06:04:17 PM
Quote from: fretnmore
Turned off block pop ups in Fire Fox and I can see the logo. It even fixed it for "view this page in IE".  

Edit:  just read deadly_risk's notes. Now I'm not so sure my fix fixed it or his.....oh well!

I have "block popups" activated and I could still see his logo, so it's probably due to deadly_risk turning off Hotlinks Protection. Sorry to burst your bubble, Pat  :cry:
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: fretnmore on January 08, 2005, 06:16:16 PM
oh well.....feel like I have hijacked deadly_risk's post anyway.

Besides  "my" fix didn't  "fix" my problem with dai's image....so I'm back to square one. Unless dai is using Hotlink Protection too.....hmmmmm

leighsww can I borrow a  :whip:  or two?  :?
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: Danielle on January 08, 2005, 06:23:38 PM
she did get an extra one with her gift today, so she should be able to spare one  :thumb:
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: leighsww on January 09, 2005, 01:54:05 AM
Okay, deadly_risk, take a look at these three samples and see if the color scheme and title works for you:

* links removed as they are no longer needed *

If you like one of them, just copy the gif image in the sample, and you can use it for your website.

For the gray versions, you will need to use #cccccc for the gray background behind the title. If you don't use that gray, there may be slight fringing, because I used that gray as the transparency color, so that there is a seamless transition for the gif image. If you want a different gray, then let me know and I'll revise the image to reflect that as the transparency color.

The purple text is #663399

This is strictly a sample, so don't use this html page as a template, because creating links won't work since it's not utilizing frames or CSS. You will want to use CSS to simulate this sample page.
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: Milton on January 09, 2005, 04:36:17 AM
Good job, Leigh!  :yey:  :thumb:
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: Pete on January 09, 2005, 08:20:36 AM
Re the images not showing up issue: (both deadly_risks and Dai's ) I run zone alarm on my other machine. If I have "Remove private header information " ticked  in the cookie control section, I get the same images missing. Unticking "Remove private header information" puts them back on again.
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: deadly_risk on January 09, 2005, 09:13:51 AM
Quote from: leighsww
Okay, deadly_risk, take a look at these three samples and see if the color scheme and title works for you:

Sample 1 (http://leighswishingwell.com/lp/deadly_risk/)
Sample 2 (http://leighswishingwell.com/lp/deadly_risk/index2.htm) (same as 1, but with dashed line)
Sample 3 (http://leighswishingwell.com/lp/deadly_risk/index3.htm)

If you like one of them, just copy the gif image in the sample, and you can use it for your website.


{ Ok well I can't find a good enough smilie icon for spechlessness and appreciation, so none with have to do. }

Geeze those look good, Thanks leigh I appreciate it.

edit: I will post back in a bit when I have a running version of one up.
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: dai on January 09, 2005, 09:57:31 AM
i wondered why my ears were red hot, you've been talking about me!

i use hotlink protection for all my images because someone on LP was stealing my avatar.  i could change it so that my web site stuff isn't protected but this wouldn't help with my images and smillies here.
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: confused on January 09, 2005, 02:06:39 PM
I like number 1 the best if you wanted my opinions?
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: deadly_risk on January 09, 2005, 02:08:49 PM
ReVised (http://www.area51.mannindustries.net/xhtml/index.html) With the suggestions and leigh's work implemented.

Should the spacy feel of 10-15px margin on all edges be carried into this version?

Also http://klintmann.com/ is up on the dartboard so to speak.
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: leighsww on January 16, 2005, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: deadly_risk
Also http://klintmann.com/ is up on the dartboard so to speak.

Hey, your "Lounge Lizard" site is looking pretty good!  :thumb:

You might change the link color from blue to either green or red to match the rest of your color scheme, though.

For the Forum, maybe do those round icons next to each forum subject in green to again match the color scheme of your site. Would also add a nice contrast and splash to the red and gray.

The http://klintmann.com/ needs some color coordination. The blue, red and yellow is not quite gelling together. What's the main color you want there? The blue?
Title: AHHH, A portfolio? What were you thinking?
Post by: GarveysIT on January 16, 2005, 10:53:29 AM
deadly_risk, you seem to like the bluee links on the left, it looks so comon, as they come as standard everyone has them, how about black? or any color apart from blue :thumb:

apart from that, good layout, easy to navigate :D